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Post by drury2396 on May 17, 2011 20:07:23 GMT -5
Here is what I am suggesting, just to be clear:
1. Prospects who are "called up" and dropped, but still have played fewer than 25 games (20 if a goalie), are allowed to be drafted in future prospects drafts.
2. Prospects who have been dropped will have their four (or five, if a goalie) year statuses reset upon being re-drafted.
3. (Just to be clear) Prospects cannot be randomly dropped for the sole purpose of redrafting them in future prospects draft. For example, say during roster cuts I decide to drop Roman Wick (for nobody), who was drafted in 2010, with the sole purpose of redrafting him this prospects draft. THIS WOULD BE ILLEGAL. If, however, I dropped Wick for a free agent during the season, then redrafted him during the next prospect draft, THIS WOULD BE LEGAL.
Is this clear for everybody? I know that talking to Adam, we each have interpreted posts by mutumbo and kozziemotto differently, so I want to try to make what I'm suggesting as clear as possible.
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Post by molson on May 17, 2011 20:26:55 GMT -5
I don't care either way. If you drop him hoping to re-draft him, you run the risk of someone else taking him and have to waste a draft pick on an asset you already had... seems foolish to me.
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Post by mutumbo on May 17, 2011 21:37:24 GMT -5
I guess it also seems difficult to decide whether someone dropped their prospect with the intent to re-draft... I always prefer rules that are cut and dry, rather than gray or up to interpretation.
To me, if you drop a prospect for any reason who hasn't played 25 games (20 if he's a goalie) that prospect should be eligible to be re-drafted the following summer. Like Molson said, you simply run the risk of someone else drafting him first.
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Post by drury2396 on May 17, 2011 22:01:59 GMT -5
I guess it also seems difficult to decide whether someone dropped their prospect with the intent to re-draft... I always prefer rules that are cut and dry, rather than gray or up to interpretation. To me, if you drop a prospect for any reason who hasn't played 25 games (20 if he's a goalie) that prospect should be eligible to be re-drafted the following summer. Like Molson said, you simply run the risk of someone else drafting him first. It is cut and dry - there is no reason to drop a prospect for nobody, hence, you cannot just drop a prospect at the end of the season and say "I'd like to enter him back into the draft." That's all number three means. If you drop a prospect in free agency, you pick a player up. Clear...? Kind of hard to explain in words while you're watching a hockey game at the same time!
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Post by mutumbo on May 17, 2011 22:16:11 GMT -5
So, using my team as an example... If I called up Calvin Pickard to my roster, then had over 8 players on my bench at the end of the year so I dropped him... He would be ineligible for anyone to re-draft?
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Post by drury2396 on May 17, 2011 22:33:40 GMT -5
So, using my team as an example... If I called up Calvin Pickard to my roster, then had over 8 players on my bench at the end of the year so I dropped him... He would be ineligible for anyone to re-draft? There is literally zero reason to call up a prospect to your actual roster (live + bench) unless you're planning on inserting him directly into your starting line-up...so no, that wouldn't be "street legal," lol.
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Post by mutumbo on May 17, 2011 22:41:39 GMT -5
Haha okay, I just like to make sure I'm clear with the rules. I mean really at the end of the day, if you're dropping a prospect and willing to make him avaliable for anyone to draft, he's likely not very valuable anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 3:47:57 GMT -5
I still don't care for it.
There is always a agenda somewhere. Just seems funny when we are starting to get to the end of our orginal prospect draft this rule is coming up now.
Anyway my vote is in but it is useless as I see.
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Post by drury2396 on May 18, 2011 7:19:19 GMT -5
I still don't care for it. There is always a agenda somewhere. Just seems funny when we are starting to get to the end of our orginal prospect draft this rule is coming up now. Anyway my vote is in but it is useless as I see. My "agenda" for suggesting the rule was two-fold: 1) This makes draft picks slightly more valuable, helping the teams currently rebuilding. 2) It just makes things easier. Every prospect draft I need to cross-check every prospect with old prospect drafts to ensure that they weren't selected previously, and I'm sure all of you guys need to do the same thing when selecting prospects. I'm a little insulted you would suggest that I might have some "hidden agenda" behind suggesting this...I only have three prospects and six total picks over the next two years, with all of those picks being in the 4th round or later. This rule change, if anything, hurts me as a GM because picks essentially become slightly more valuable; I have no real picks of value.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 16:10:25 GMT -5
Sorry, poor choice of words.
I didn't mean to insult you. It was not personal.
I just don't like the rule that is all.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 19:09:05 GMT -5
My "agenda" for suggesting the rule was two-fold: 2) It just makes things easier. Every prospect draft I need to cross-check every prospect with old prospect drafts to ensure that they weren't selected previously, and I'm sure all of you guys need to do the same thing when selecting prospects. I totally agree with this reason. We have the same rules for prospects in my other league (yeah, I "borrowed" these rules) and trying to keep track of the 4/5 rule when prospects are flying in and out of rosters is a management nightmare. It takes me and my "assistant" just to keep track!
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Post by drury2396 on May 19, 2011 19:52:26 GMT -5
Sorry, poor choice of words. I didn't mean to insult you. It was not personal. I just don't like the rule that is all. No hard feelings, bud!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 20:24:51 GMT -5
I don't remember how I voted, but by voting on this change are the handling of prospects being made easier or more challenging?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 7:44:47 GMT -5
Well, Going back and rereading the orginal post by J.R. I was talking out of my ass. I like the the rules.
I was so busy at the time that I had no business argueing about anything.
I will admit. I want nothing to do with any Fantasy hockey in the summer.
I didn't think it was hard to begin with. the rules make sense now to me.
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Post by drury2396 on Sept 10, 2011 13:29:07 GMT -5
I agree - the change is a good one for us.
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